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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/2005/04/28/why-i-dont-like-sudoko/comment-page-1/#comment-989</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2005 12:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not being too rude, but you possibly couldn&#039;t take this to GuthriesReunited.com, or somewhere like that?</description>
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		<title>By: Will Guthrie</title>
		<link>http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/2005/04/28/why-i-dont-like-sudoko/comment-page-1/#comment-988</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Guthrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2005 12:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah&#039;s question fascinated me and I couldn&#039;t leave it alone...

I decided to do some reasearch...

My first thought was to look in the phone book.  How many Guthries are there? How many Gormans are there?  Then using statistics on the first name and a bit of extrapalation I could work it out - I&#039;m a mathematician ( not a good one but one none the less) so it didn&#039;t seem that hard.

In the phone book it turns out there are three Guthries and two Gormans.  This didn&#039;t look good.  It wasn&#039;t enough to find out if there were more or less: I wouldn&#039;t to be more unique.  I also knew that my family wasn&#039;t registered in the phone book - and there are five of us.  So so far I had at least eight Guthries to two Gormans - not looking good.  Now as it happens one of those Gormans happens to be Dave Gorman&#039;s mother - incredible (he went to the same school albeit a couple of years earlier).

Now if the trend was to continue (that is eight Guthries to two Gromans) across the country then I would be stuffed; there would be more of me and less of him:  I would be less unique.  

However, a thought struck me: when I went to see Dave Gorman at the Surgery in his (and my) home town of Stafford he had said about a website called www.yournotme.com.  I decided to check it out.

I typed in my name and waited for the results: 86.  Brilliant there are 86 people out there in the UK with my name.  Is that good?  I didn&#039;t know.  I typed in Dave Gorman and... 0.  There are no people called Dave Gorman.  I thought &#039; but I know one&#039;.  Then I realised I knew noone called DAVE Groman, but I did know one called DAVID.  I typed it in, pressed enter and bang: 146.  Yes.  I&#039;m more unique!

So in answer to your question Sarah there are more Dave Gormans than William Guthries in the UK.  Worldwide? I can only guess, but I hope so</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah&#8217;s question fascinated me and I couldn&#8217;t leave it alone&#8230;</p>
<p>I decided to do some reasearch&#8230;</p>
<p>My first thought was to look in the phone book.  How many Guthries are there? How many Gormans are there?  Then using statistics on the first name and a bit of extrapalation I could work it out &#8211; I&#8217;m a mathematician ( not a good one but one none the less) so it didn&#8217;t seem that hard.</p>
<p>In the phone book it turns out there are three Guthries and two Gormans.  This didn&#8217;t look good.  It wasn&#8217;t enough to find out if there were more or less: I wouldn&#8217;t to be more unique.  I also knew that my family wasn&#8217;t registered in the phone book &#8211; and there are five of us.  So so far I had at least eight Guthries to two Gormans &#8211; not looking good.  Now as it happens one of those Gormans happens to be Dave Gorman&#8217;s mother &#8211; incredible (he went to the same school albeit a couple of years earlier).</p>
<p>Now if the trend was to continue (that is eight Guthries to two Gromans) across the country then I would be stuffed; there would be more of me and less of him:  I would be less unique.  </p>
<p>However, a thought struck me: when I went to see Dave Gorman at the Surgery in his (and my) home town of Stafford he had said about a website called <a href="http://www.yournotme.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.yournotme.com</a>.  I decided to check it out.</p>
<p>I typed in my name and waited for the results: 86.  Brilliant there are 86 people out there in the UK with my name.  Is that good?  I didn&#8217;t know.  I typed in Dave Gorman and&#8230; 0.  There are no people called Dave Gorman.  I thought &#8216; but I know one&#8217;.  Then I realised I knew noone called DAVE Groman, but I did know one called DAVID.  I typed it in, pressed enter and bang: 146.  Yes.  I&#8217;m more unique!</p>
<p>So in answer to your question Sarah there are more Dave Gormans than William Guthries in the UK.  Worldwide? I can only guess, but I hope so</p>
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		<title>By: Will Guthrie</title>
		<link>http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/2005/04/28/why-i-dont-like-sudoko/comment-page-1/#comment-983</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Guthrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2005 09:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know but it would be fun finding out! 

My brother&#039;s name is James Guthrie by-the-bye.  So close but so far Jamie!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know but it would be fun finding out! </p>
<p>My brother&#8217;s name is James Guthrie by-the-bye.  So close but so far Jamie!</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/2005/04/28/why-i-dont-like-sudoko/comment-page-1/#comment-973</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2005 11:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you think there are fewer Will Guthries than there are Dave Gormans?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think there are fewer Will Guthries than there are Dave Gormans?</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie GUTHRIE</title>
		<link>http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/2005/04/28/why-i-dont-like-sudoko/comment-page-1/#comment-968</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie GUTHRIE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2005 23:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article, but my main reason for posting is that someone has posted with the same surname as me! &quot;Will Guthrie&quot; - wow. Not many Guthrie&#039;s around.

Sorry for the rather off topic posting, but I am amazed at the coincidence of this :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article, but my main reason for posting is that someone has posted with the same surname as me! &#8220;Will Guthrie&#8221; &#8211; wow. Not many Guthrie&#8217;s around.</p>
<p>Sorry for the rather off topic posting, but I am amazed at the coincidence of this :)</p>
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		<title>By: Will Guthrie</title>
		<link>http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/2005/04/28/why-i-dont-like-sudoko/comment-page-1/#comment-884</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Guthrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2005 16:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edel puzzles are also called Griddlers.  They are published in The Sunday Telegraph and there are many books out in the puzzle section of most bookstores.

The main difficulty in completing the new &#039;super&#039; Su Doku is in keeping all that new information in your head if, as I do, you solve them without writing any notes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edel puzzles are also called Griddlers.  They are published in The Sunday Telegraph and there are many books out in the puzzle section of most bookstores.</p>
<p>The main difficulty in completing the new &#8217;super&#8217; Su Doku is in keeping all that new information in your head if, as I do, you solve them without writing any notes.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/2005/04/28/why-i-dont-like-sudoko/comment-page-1/#comment-860</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2005 13:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Puzzler Media call Edel puzzles Hanjie, and publish books of them monthly. They&#039;re only available at WHSmiths, and you can get normal sized or &quot;sumo sized&quot;. See here:

http://www.puzzler.co.uk/D/D1X00000.asp?id=TSU&amp;user=null

(taken out of a frameset, since I couldn&#039;t link to it otherwise.) The puzzler.co.uk website has a couple of sample puzzles you can play online as well.

I think that they used to refer to these puzzles as &quot;Tsunami&quot;; if that&#039;s the case, they may have renamed them after recent events in Asia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Puzzler Media call Edel puzzles Hanjie, and publish books of them monthly. They&#8217;re only available at WHSmiths, and you can get normal sized or &#8220;sumo sized&#8221;. See here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.puzzler.co.uk/D/D1X00000.asp?id=TSU&amp;user=null" rel="nofollow">http://www.puzzler.co.uk/D/D1X00000.asp?id=TSU&amp;user=null</a></p>
<p>(taken out of a frameset, since I couldn&#8217;t link to it otherwise.) The puzzler.co.uk website has a couple of sample puzzles you can play online as well.</p>
<p>I think that they used to refer to these puzzles as &#8220;Tsunami&#8221;; if that&#8217;s the case, they may have renamed them after recent events in Asia.</p>
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		<title>By: nach0king</title>
		<link>http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/2005/04/28/why-i-dont-like-sudoko/comment-page-1/#comment-858</link>
		<dc:creator>nach0king</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2005 09:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you like Edel, and have access to a SNES emulator, download &quot;Picross&quot; ROMs from:

http://www.cherryroms.com/ (requires free registration)

p.s. I was here for the electoral map; excellent work on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you like Edel, and have access to a SNES emulator, download &#8220;Picross&#8221; ROMs from:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cherryroms.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cherryroms.com/</a> (requires free registration)</p>
<p>p.s. I was here for the electoral map; excellent work on that.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Edwards</title>
		<link>http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/2005/04/28/why-i-dont-like-sudoko/comment-page-1/#comment-857</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2005 14:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Independent&lt;/i&gt; features a &quot;Super Su Doku&quot; - 16x16 grid with the digits plus the letters A-F. I like solving Su Doku puzzles (if &#039;like&#039; is the word - they absorb my attention almost to the point of a fugal state) but I&#039;m too cheap to buy the paper just for this one. I&#039;m intrigued, though; I wouldn&#039;t have thought the larger scale would make &lt;b&gt;much&lt;/b&gt; difference to the difficulty of the puzzle, all else being equal, but it&#039;d be interesting to find out.

Um... any &lt;i&gt;Indie&lt;/i&gt;-readers with scanners out there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s <i>Independent</i> features a &#8220;Super Su Doku&#8221; &#8211; 16&#215;16 grid with the digits plus the letters A-F. I like solving Su Doku puzzles (if &#8216;like&#8217; is the word &#8211; they absorb my attention almost to the point of a fugal state) but I&#8217;m too cheap to buy the paper just for this one. I&#8217;m intrigued, though; I wouldn&#8217;t have thought the larger scale would make <b>much</b> difference to the difficulty of the puzzle, all else being equal, but it&#8217;d be interesting to find out.</p>
<p>Um&#8230; any <i>Indie</i>-readers with scanners out there?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Booth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Booth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 08:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are so many ways to respond to your article!  This is my third attempt.  

First, it seems to me that almost all puzzles rely on following some sort of recipe.  Cryptic crosswords have more complex recipes than does Su Doku, but you can still teach people the &lt;em&gt;recipe&lt;/em&gt;.  An extension of this thought is that chess or go are iterated puzzles (every time it is your turn you have to solve a puzzle).  The puzzle is so large and complex that humans can do very well by pattern matching and intuition guided by experience.  In principle, however, both puzzles could be completely solved by a computer that was large and powerful enough.

Second, solving Su Doku isn&#039;t the &lt;em&gt;only&lt;/em&gt; challenge available to computer programmers.  Like you, I recently came across these puzzles, but rather than thinking about how to write a program to solve the puzzle, I thought it might be interesting to write a program to generate them.  One approach I have in mind is to randomly fill a grid with numbers according to the rules, then pick a number at random and if it is logically entailed by what is in the grid at the time, then remove it.  Repeat until no more numbers can be removed.

Finally, I have to agree with you that puzzles that only humans can solve have a certain something.  I love The Independent&#039;s &quot;Get the picture&quot; for that reason.  But the best example of this class of puzzle (often done for charity) are those where the clues are initial letters and lengths of the key words in a phrase (e.g. &quot;The T----- D--- of C--------&quot;).  What fascinates me about them is that there doesn&#039;t seem to be any analytical process one can go through to solve them, but the answers are almost always universally accepted as right.  And they can pop into my head at any time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are so many ways to respond to your article!  This is my third attempt.  </p>
<p>First, it seems to me that almost all puzzles rely on following some sort of recipe.  Cryptic crosswords have more complex recipes than does Su Doku, but you can still teach people the <em>recipe</em>.  An extension of this thought is that chess or go are iterated puzzles (every time it is your turn you have to solve a puzzle).  The puzzle is so large and complex that humans can do very well by pattern matching and intuition guided by experience.  In principle, however, both puzzles could be completely solved by a computer that was large and powerful enough.</p>
<p>Second, solving Su Doku isn&#8217;t the <em>only</em> challenge available to computer programmers.  Like you, I recently came across these puzzles, but rather than thinking about how to write a program to solve the puzzle, I thought it might be interesting to write a program to generate them.  One approach I have in mind is to randomly fill a grid with numbers according to the rules, then pick a number at random and if it is logically entailed by what is in the grid at the time, then remove it.  Repeat until no more numbers can be removed.</p>
<p>Finally, I have to agree with you that puzzles that only humans can solve have a certain something.  I love The Independent&#8217;s &#8220;Get the picture&#8221; for that reason.  But the best example of this class of puzzle (often done for charity) are those where the clues are initial letters and lengths of the key words in a phrase (e.g. &#8220;The T&#8212;&#8211; D&#8212; of C&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;&#8221;).  What fascinates me about them is that there doesn&#8217;t seem to be any analytical process one can go through to solve them, but the answers are almost always universally accepted as right.  And they can pop into my head at any time.</p>
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