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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/2005/11/24/822/comment-page-1/#comment-1587</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you dont like it - DONT WATCH IT

Simple</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you dont like it &#8211; DONT WATCH IT</p>
<p>Simple</p>
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		<title>By: Culfy</title>
		<link>http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/2005/11/24/822/comment-page-1/#comment-1584</link>
		<dc:creator>Culfy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2005 00:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some bits of Little Britain still make me laugh. Unfortunately, it has sunk into &#039;catchphrase city&#039;. Guaranteed every episode will have two Lou &amp; Andy sketches - one in which Andy choses something unsuitable which he hates and one in which he gets  out of his wheelchair. 

It also suffers from an excess of UNPCness. Don&#039;t like two old ladies throwing up? Don&#039;t like Matt Lucas in a PC suit? You&#039;re just PC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some bits of Little Britain still make me laugh. Unfortunately, it has sunk into &#8216;catchphrase city&#8217;. Guaranteed every episode will have two Lou &amp; Andy sketches &#8211; one in which Andy choses something unsuitable which he hates and one in which he gets  out of his wheelchair. </p>
<p>It also suffers from an excess of UNPCness. Don&#8217;t like two old ladies throwing up? Don&#8217;t like Matt Lucas in a PC suit? You&#8217;re just PC.</p>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
		<link>http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/2005/11/24/822/comment-page-1/#comment-1583</link>
		<dc:creator>tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2005 14:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Dafydd is Gay (which also makes him a minority, but I don&#039;t see anyone complaining about that on this forum).&lt;/i&gt;

You might want to read a) the article linked in the first words of this post, and b) the first comment on this post, both of which do exactly that.

Not that it&#039;s particularly relevant. Dafydd is gay. Matt Lucas is gay. They&#039;re the same minority. Matt Lucas has said publically that Dafydd is based on his own experiences growing up. The sketch may be one-dimensional, and desperately tired three series in, but it&#039;s not unsympathetic. Questionable judgement, lazy writing, but not actually bigoted.

Mat Lucas is not, you may have noticed, Thai.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Dafydd is Gay (which also makes him a minority, but I don&#8217;t see anyone complaining about that on this forum).</i></p>
<p>You might want to read a) the article linked in the first words of this post, and b) the first comment on this post, both of which do exactly that.</p>
<p>Not that it&#8217;s particularly relevant. Dafydd is gay. Matt Lucas is gay. They&#8217;re the same minority. Matt Lucas has said publically that Dafydd is based on his own experiences growing up. The sketch may be one-dimensional, and desperately tired three series in, but it&#8217;s not unsympathetic. Questionable judgement, lazy writing, but not actually bigoted.</p>
<p>Mat Lucas is not, you may have noticed, Thai.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/2005/11/24/822/comment-page-1/#comment-1581</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2005 13:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, I wasn&#039;t going to reply to responses to this post, but it&#039;s taken a cretinous turn and some of the spurious points made here need a good proverbial kicking...

First off, even though I don&#039;t watch Little Britain (any more) does not mean I should keep my mouth shut. Quite apart from the fact that, as a licence fee payer, then I have some right to ask whether my money is being wisely spent, even if this was on Sky, or a comic strip somewhere, I still have a right to complain. It&#039;s not a mere matter of switching over and find an alternative, like it&#039;s a brand of fucking breakfast cereal or something. If you honestly think that if someone objects to something then they should just find something else to do and ignore it - then what the hell are you doing leaving your comments here? Why don&#039;t you just move on yourself? Feel free to register your disagreement with me here if you like, but don&#039;t profess that I can&#039;t do the same. 

Secondly, yes, the sketch does aim to mock a lonely middle-aged lech, but if you think that he is the &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; target of that sketch, then you really should take another look. Why is there the need for a &quot;Thai Bride&quot; character specifically - why not have him with an inflatable doll, or a sheep? The answer is because Ting Tong is an integral part of the sketch, and is up for ridicule alongside him; except that she is ridiculed mainly for her race - buck-teeth, inability to pronounce English, the &#039;hilarious&#039; fact she&#039;s a &#039;ladyboy&#039;. By extension, the sketch is not just a slur on the one character, but on all Thai people - that is, unless you actually believe all Thai women are like that, in which case you are beyond all attempts at reason.

As for the comparisons, although with &lt;i&gt;Till Death Do Us Part&lt;/i&gt; Johnny Speight aimed Alf Garnett to be a figure of ridicule, it is worth noting Garnett ended up becoming a hero to many in the show&#039;s audience, who agreed with his racism and misogyny. This was something which Speight himself regretted; however, at least he made a (valiant) attempt to attack and ridicule prejudice, something which the Ting Tong sketch does not. &lt;i&gt;Goodness Gracious Me&lt;/i&gt;, being written and performed by an Asian cast, has the privilege of being an insider&#039;s view, and the characters and sketches it produces are both informed and affectionate. Little Britain is neither - it&#039;s just plain ignorant and nasty: a white man yellowing up purely to continually peddle a grossly offensive caricature and mock South East Asian people. If that isn&#039;t racist, then what is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, I wasn&#8217;t going to reply to responses to this post, but it&#8217;s taken a cretinous turn and some of the spurious points made here need a good proverbial kicking&#8230;</p>
<p>First off, even though I don&#8217;t watch Little Britain (any more) does not mean I should keep my mouth shut. Quite apart from the fact that, as a licence fee payer, then I have some right to ask whether my money is being wisely spent, even if this was on Sky, or a comic strip somewhere, I still have a right to complain. It&#8217;s not a mere matter of switching over and find an alternative, like it&#8217;s a brand of fucking breakfast cereal or something. If you honestly think that if someone objects to something then they should just find something else to do and ignore it &#8211; then what the hell are you doing leaving your comments here? Why don&#8217;t you just move on yourself? Feel free to register your disagreement with me here if you like, but don&#8217;t profess that I can&#8217;t do the same. </p>
<p>Secondly, yes, the sketch does aim to mock a lonely middle-aged lech, but if you think that he is the <i>only</i> target of that sketch, then you really should take another look. Why is there the need for a &#8220;Thai Bride&#8221; character specifically &#8211; why not have him with an inflatable doll, or a sheep? The answer is because Ting Tong is an integral part of the sketch, and is up for ridicule alongside him; except that she is ridiculed mainly for her race &#8211; buck-teeth, inability to pronounce English, the &#8216;hilarious&#8217; fact she&#8217;s a &#8216;ladyboy&#8217;. By extension, the sketch is not just a slur on the one character, but on all Thai people &#8211; that is, unless you actually believe all Thai women are like that, in which case you are beyond all attempts at reason.</p>
<p>As for the comparisons, although with <i>Till Death Do Us Part</i> Johnny Speight aimed Alf Garnett to be a figure of ridicule, it is worth noting Garnett ended up becoming a hero to many in the show&#8217;s audience, who agreed with his racism and misogyny. This was something which Speight himself regretted; however, at least he made a (valiant) attempt to attack and ridicule prejudice, something which the Ting Tong sketch does not. <i>Goodness Gracious Me</i>, being written and performed by an Asian cast, has the privilege of being an insider&#8217;s view, and the characters and sketches it produces are both informed and affectionate. Little Britain is neither &#8211; it&#8217;s just plain ignorant and nasty: a white man yellowing up purely to continually peddle a grossly offensive caricature and mock South East Asian people. If that isn&#8217;t racist, then what is?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/2005/11/24/822/comment-page-1/#comment-1580</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a fan of the show and went to see the Live show at the NIA last night.  I have to say, I&#039;m a little confused.  How many dimensions do you want characters in a sketch to have?  How many dimensions did John Cleeses character have in the Parrot Sketch?  As I remember he was angry.  Dafydd is Gay (which also makes him a minority, but I don&#039;t see anyone complaining about that on this forum).

I think the point is being missed quite wildly by some people, judging by some of the posts above.  The show is called Little Britain and it overblows the stereotypes that people have about British people.  The humour in the Ting Tong sketches is not gleaned from the derision of the &#039;Thai&#039; bride, rather, it is gleaned from the derision of the stereotypical lecherous, desperate, sex starved British man.

I concede that LB is not going to be to everyones taste, but I don&#039;t like Westlife and I don&#039;t write articles bemoaning their talents.  If you don&#039;t like, don&#039;t do it.  Just stop wasting your time complaining about it and go and do something you enjoy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a fan of the show and went to see the Live show at the NIA last night.  I have to say, I&#8217;m a little confused.  How many dimensions do you want characters in a sketch to have?  How many dimensions did John Cleeses character have in the Parrot Sketch?  As I remember he was angry.  Dafydd is Gay (which also makes him a minority, but I don&#8217;t see anyone complaining about that on this forum).</p>
<p>I think the point is being missed quite wildly by some people, judging by some of the posts above.  The show is called Little Britain and it overblows the stereotypes that people have about British people.  The humour in the Ting Tong sketches is not gleaned from the derision of the &#8216;Thai&#8217; bride, rather, it is gleaned from the derision of the stereotypical lecherous, desperate, sex starved British man.</p>
<p>I concede that LB is not going to be to everyones taste, but I don&#8217;t like Westlife and I don&#8217;t write articles bemoaning their talents.  If you don&#8217;t like, don&#8217;t do it.  Just stop wasting your time complaining about it and go and do something you enjoy.</p>
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		<title>By: Daedalia</title>
		<link>http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/2005/11/24/822/comment-page-1/#comment-1577</link>
		<dc:creator>Daedalia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 13:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some people take life far too seriously... If you are offended then you only have yourself to blame as LB like goodness gracious me and Till Death Us Do Part are mereley taking the michael at peoples mis-conceived stereo types and blowing them up to larger than life proportions. If you don&#039;t like it, don&#039;t watch it. It makes me laugh when people say they watch programs and don&#039;t enjoy them. Are you stupid? That&#039;s what the buttons on the TV are for. Why spend precious time textually masterbating on how much you hate something as trivial as a TV program, the world is full enough of boring moaners. Hmm, good point. Don&#039;t know how I came to be here but there goes my lunch hour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people take life far too seriously&#8230; If you are offended then you only have yourself to blame as LB like goodness gracious me and Till Death Us Do Part are mereley taking the michael at peoples mis-conceived stereo types and blowing them up to larger than life proportions. If you don&#8217;t like it, don&#8217;t watch it. It makes me laugh when people say they watch programs and don&#8217;t enjoy them. Are you stupid? That&#8217;s what the buttons on the TV are for. Why spend precious time textually masterbating on how much you hate something as trivial as a TV program, the world is full enough of boring moaners. Hmm, good point. Don&#8217;t know how I came to be here but there goes my lunch hour.</p>
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		<title>By: danny</title>
		<link>http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/2005/11/24/822/comment-page-1/#comment-1569</link>
		<dc:creator>danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone said that it gave an example of the casual racism in britain. But i can also see the opposite in the character. This is a racial character created for a comedy show, where the joke is nothing to do with her race. She could be a russian bride for example, and the joke that she wasn&#039;t what she first appeard as would still be the same. 

Setting the character as someone from an ethnic minority could be interpreted as two idea&#039;s 

1) poking fun at that ethnic group, despite that the joke could apply to anyone.
2) the comics playing characters from accross the racial spectrum of the real britain.

Comedy in britain is sadly played by mainly white comedians, which reprisents a very small percentage of britain. Maybe matt lucus and david walliams are attempting to portray a wider britain that the britain of the white lower classes.

If you look at it that way, white comedians been able to use racial characters in a non racist way is possibly one of the big walls that need to be broken down in a world where over PC values help fuel the racist problems. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone said that it gave an example of the casual racism in britain. But i can also see the opposite in the character. This is a racial character created for a comedy show, where the joke is nothing to do with her race. She could be a russian bride for example, and the joke that she wasn&#8217;t what she first appeard as would still be the same. </p>
<p>Setting the character as someone from an ethnic minority could be interpreted as two idea&#8217;s </p>
<p>1) poking fun at that ethnic group, despite that the joke could apply to anyone.<br />
2) the comics playing characters from accross the racial spectrum of the real britain.</p>
<p>Comedy in britain is sadly played by mainly white comedians, which reprisents a very small percentage of britain. Maybe matt lucus and david walliams are attempting to portray a wider britain that the britain of the white lower classes.</p>
<p>If you look at it that way, white comedians been able to use racial characters in a non racist way is possibly one of the big walls that need to be broken down in a world where over PC values help fuel the racist problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/2005/11/24/822/comment-page-1/#comment-1568</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 10:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have some appreication of the various sophisticated and nuanced arguments against Little Britain, but the more effective point for me is this: it isn&#039;t funny. I&#039;ll concede ground on one point: Vicky Pollard, which is fine as an individual joke but it&#039;s the same damn thing every time.

The rest of it is total trash - it just isn&#039;t funny. There&#039;s no question of &#039;taking things too seriously&#039; - it&#039;s just not funny, pure and simple. To those who think it&#039;s the apogee of modern comedy I urge them to go and watch Peep Show, South Park, The League of Gentleman and the first few seasons of The Simpsons to get a little perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have some appreication of the various sophisticated and nuanced arguments against Little Britain, but the more effective point for me is this: it isn&#8217;t funny. I&#8217;ll concede ground on one point: Vicky Pollard, which is fine as an individual joke but it&#8217;s the same damn thing every time.</p>
<p>The rest of it is total trash &#8211; it just isn&#8217;t funny. There&#8217;s no question of &#8216;taking things too seriously&#8217; &#8211; it&#8217;s just not funny, pure and simple. To those who think it&#8217;s the apogee of modern comedy I urge them to go and watch Peep Show, South Park, The League of Gentleman and the first few seasons of The Simpsons to get a little perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/2005/11/24/822/comment-page-1/#comment-1555</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think little britain is mostly funny but it seems to me that some people like certain sketches in little britain cos it&#039;s a chance for them to laugh at racism and feel safe.   I mean the old lady vomiting is horrible. What would people of ethnic origin watching this programme think? Would they think the canned laughter ia sign that generally most people think its funny and ok to feel like that?  I&#039;m sure that if it was blacks or asians having the same attitude towards whites then we&#039;d be pretty insulted. Maybe I&#039;m being too simplistic but I think THAT is going too far.  I mean YUK!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think little britain is mostly funny but it seems to me that some people like certain sketches in little britain cos it&#8217;s a chance for them to laugh at racism and feel safe.   I mean the old lady vomiting is horrible. What would people of ethnic origin watching this programme think? Would they think the canned laughter ia sign that generally most people think its funny and ok to feel like that?  I&#8217;m sure that if it was blacks or asians having the same attitude towards whites then we&#8217;d be pretty insulted. Maybe I&#8217;m being too simplistic but I think THAT is going too far.  I mean YUK!</p>
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		<title>By: lucy</title>
		<link>http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/2005/11/24/822/comment-page-1/#comment-1550</link>
		<dc:creator>lucy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I LOVE little britain and i think it is hilarious. Watched every episode and i don&#039;t see why no one likes it. It might be offensive but it is funny and i make sure i am home every thursday night to watch it.  Everyone is so serious about it and you should just laugh at it and see the funny side of things!!!!! i hope matt lucas and david walliams make loads more:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I LOVE little britain and i think it is hilarious. Watched every episode and i don&#8217;t see why no one likes it. It might be offensive but it is funny and i make sure i am home every thursday night to watch it.  Everyone is so serious about it and you should just laugh at it and see the funny side of things!!!!! i hope matt lucas and david walliams make loads more:)</p>
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		<title>By: Mmm</title>
		<link>http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/2005/11/24/822/comment-page-1/#comment-1549</link>
		<dc:creator>Mmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s my birthday today but anyway... back to the discussion.</description>
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		<title>By: Ant</title>
		<link>http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/2005/11/24/822/comment-page-1/#comment-1547</link>
		<dc:creator>Ant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re absolutely right&#8212;I&#039;m just surprised it&#039;s become so popular. Very unfunny show. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right&mdash;I&#8217;m just surprised it&#8217;s become so popular. Very unfunny show.</p>
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