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	<title>Comments on: Dead swan</title>
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		<title>By: Seb</title>
		<link>http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/2006/04/07/dead-swan/comment-page-1/#comment-1800</link>
		<dc:creator>Seb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Unlike BSE or Foot And Mouth, this isn’t a man-made problem.</p>
<p>Up to a point. However, modern factory farming methods increase the opportunities for (a) diseases to become pandemic in animals, and (b) for the virus to mutate and recombine with other viruses.</p>
<p>In 1968, when the most recent influenza pandemic occurred, the virus emerged in a China that had a human population of 790 million, a pig population of 5.2 million, and a poultry population of 12.3 million; today, these populations number 1.3 billion, 508 million, and 13 billion, respectively (<a href="http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/352/18/1839" rel="nofollow">source</a>).  In much of SE Asia, the poultry density is <a href="http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/fullMaps_Sa.nsf/luFullMap/9E178CB10D20893A8525704B00610607/$File/wfp_HLT_southasia250705.pdf?OpenElement" rel="nofollow">250,000 per square kilometre</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Iain</title>
		<link>http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/2006/04/07/dead-swan/comment-page-1/#comment-1798</link>
		<dc:creator>Iain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Everyone&quot; clearly isn&#039;t sensible. Otherwise I wouldn&#039;t be hearing reports of supermarkets having signs by their chicken and egg areas to reassure customers that none of them are sourced from Scotland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Everyone&#8221; clearly isn&#8217;t sensible. Otherwise I wouldn&#8217;t be hearing reports of supermarkets having signs by their chicken and egg areas to reassure customers that none of them are sourced from Scotland.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is that people are panicking about the wrong things. Yep, it&#039;s perfectly safe to eat chicken, and so far, amazingly, everyone seems to be being sensible about this.  

Poultry farmers have every right to panic, becuse this virus could easily wipe out their entire livelihood; it&#039;s bloody lethal to chickens.

The chances of avian flu developing a human-transmissible form is 100%.  It&#039;s not a &quot;big if&quot; - it&#039;s not even an &quot;if&quot;.  The problem is, we have absolutely no way of knowing &lt;i&gt;when&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt; -  this year, next year or in fifty years. It&#039;s happened before and happens every so often - we are &quot;due&quot; another one, but one can&#039;t usefully interpret the statistics in that way really. This means that preparing for it is hard - because it might not happen for decades. We&#039;d better be bloody ready when it happens though - last time it killed millions.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that people are panicking about the wrong things. Yep, it&#8217;s perfectly safe to eat chicken, and so far, amazingly, everyone seems to be being sensible about this.  </p>
<p>Poultry farmers have every right to panic, becuse this virus could easily wipe out their entire livelihood; it&#8217;s bloody lethal to chickens.</p>
<p>The chances of avian flu developing a human-transmissible form is 100%.  It&#8217;s not a &#8220;big if&#8221; &#8211; it&#8217;s not even an &#8220;if&#8221;.  The problem is, we have absolutely no way of knowing <i>when</i><i> &#8211;  this year, next year or in fifty years. It&#8217;s happened before and happens every so often &#8211; we are &#8220;due&#8221; another one, but one can&#8217;t usefully interpret the statistics in that way really. This means that preparing for it is hard &#8211; because it might not happen for decades. We&#8217;d better be bloody ready when it happens though &#8211; last time it killed millions.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Oscar Wildebeest</title>
		<link>http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/2006/04/07/dead-swan/comment-page-1/#comment-1794</link>
		<dc:creator>Oscar Wildebeest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Apr 2006 19:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The BBC reports that 2,500 people have called the emergency helpline after finding dead birds. Plenty of brain-goo to go around, I&#039;d say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The BBC reports that 2,500 people have called the emergency helpline after finding dead birds. Plenty of brain-goo to go around, I&#8217;d say.</p>
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		<title>By: tony</title>
		<link>http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/2006/04/07/dead-swan/comment-page-1/#comment-1793</link>
		<dc:creator>tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 14:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.godspell.org.uk/wordpress/2006/04/07/avian-flu-all-you-need-to-know/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Is it time to panic?&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.godspell.org.uk/wordpress/2006/04/07/avian-flu-all-you-need-to-know/" rel="nofollow">Is it time to panic?</a></p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
		<link>http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/2006/04/07/dead-swan/comment-page-1/#comment-1791</link>
		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 10:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was this one of the Queen&#039;s swans? Has anybody sent her a letter of condolences?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was this one of the Queen&#8217;s swans? Has anybody sent her a letter of condolences?</p>
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		<title>By: Forest Pines</title>
		<link>http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/2006/04/07/dead-swan/comment-page-1/#comment-1790</link>
		<dc:creator>Forest Pines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 08:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The news channels seem to be panicking that nobody is panicking, constantly reporting how shocked they are that poultry and egg sales aren&#039;t plummeting.

I thought the &quot;exclusion zones&quot; in Eastern Scotland are a bit silly, too - they go all the way up north almost as far as Aberdeen, but don&#039;t include anywhere south of the infamous Dead Swan at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The news channels seem to be panicking that nobody is panicking, constantly reporting how shocked they are that poultry and egg sales aren&#8217;t plummeting.</p>
<p>I thought the &#8220;exclusion zones&#8221; in Eastern Scotland are a bit silly, too &#8211; they go all the way up north almost as far as Aberdeen, but don&#8217;t include anywhere south of the infamous Dead Swan at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Jawbox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jawbox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) and b) are, of course, sequential.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) and b) are, of course, sequential.</p>
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		<title>By: Jawbox</title>
		<link>http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/2006/04/07/dead-swan/comment-page-1/#comment-1788</link>
		<dc:creator>Jawbox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;If evolution wants to find a way, it will find a way, which is disconcerting, but at the same time, perversely, for me it’s somewhat more assuring.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Well, that intelligent design thing &#8211; it&#8217;s not all bad. You have to admit that it has certain &#8216;poultry and fate&#8217;-related good points&#8230;</p>
<p>My own motivation for continuing to eat chicken is that it tastes really good. I&#8217;ve pretty much had enough of being told what&#8217;s safe and not safe for me to eat, on the basis of 1) a considerable amount of bad science and b) the inability of journalists to see how miniscule the probability of dying actually is . Besides, I&#8217;m a long way from Fife. Ho-hum.</p>
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