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	<title>Comments on: Liberty AGM</title>
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		<title>By: Simstim</title>
		<link>http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/2008/06/19/liberty-agm/comment-page-1/#comment-3041</link>
		<dc:creator>Simstim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil: The whole situation reminds me of Le Guin&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ones_Who_Walk_Away_from_Omelas&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil: The whole situation reminds me of Le Guin&#8217;s <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ones_Who_Walk_Away_from_Omelas" rel="nofollow">The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 13:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post - think I might go and join.

Phil: We should have a referendum on capital punishment where all those who vote Yes for the sentence to be used can be subject to its use, but those who vote No can&#039;t be. Would be interesting to see how that went down...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post &#8211; think I might go and join.</p>
<p>Phil: We should have a referendum on capital punishment where all those who vote Yes for the sentence to be used can be subject to its use, but those who vote No can&#8217;t be. Would be interesting to see how that went down&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 08:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was a member until I left my last job with a proper salary; I&#039;ll rejoin when normality&#039;s restored.

I&#039;m quite concerned about this government&#039;s rhetoric on civil liberties (&amp; why we don&#039;t need them). On accommodating people&#039;s &#039;worries&#039; - why? What do they think is going to happen if they don&#039;t pander to the worst and most reactionary instincts of the public? I can&#039;t help thinking what&#039;s really going on is that they&#039;re knowingly stoking up the terrorist panic (along with the gun panic, the immigrant panic and the hoodie panic) because it gives them endless opportunities to buy a bit of popularity by cracking down on some minority or other. The language of &#039;balance&#039; is particularly suspect - what it usually means, if you unpack it, is giving &lt;b&gt;us&lt;/b&gt; a bit more security by giving &lt;b&gt;them&lt;/b&gt; a bit less liberty. 

Perhaps the Davis campaign will be the point where people start to realise that - as somebody said on Question Time last night - approving of 42-day detention logically means approving of it being done to &lt;b&gt;you&lt;/b&gt;, because once it&#039;s in law it could be done to anyone. And perhaps not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a member until I left my last job with a proper salary; I&#8217;ll rejoin when normality&#8217;s restored.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m quite concerned about this government&#8217;s rhetoric on civil liberties (&amp; why we don&#8217;t need them). On accommodating people&#8217;s &#8216;worries&#8217; &#8211; why? What do they think is going to happen if they don&#8217;t pander to the worst and most reactionary instincts of the public? I can&#8217;t help thinking what&#8217;s really going on is that they&#8217;re knowingly stoking up the terrorist panic (along with the gun panic, the immigrant panic and the hoodie panic) because it gives them endless opportunities to buy a bit of popularity by cracking down on some minority or other. The language of &#8216;balance&#8217; is particularly suspect &#8211; what it usually means, if you unpack it, is giving <b>us</b> a bit more security by giving <b>them</b> a bit less liberty. </p>
<p>Perhaps the Davis campaign will be the point where people start to realise that &#8211; as somebody said on Question Time last night &#8211; approving of 42-day detention logically means approving of it being done to <b>you</b>, because once it&#8217;s in law it could be done to anyone. And perhaps not.</p>
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		<title>By: john griffiths</title>
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		<dc:creator>john griffiths</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 08:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take issue with the &#039;inordinately boring&#039; comment -- this was an informative post Chris and I&#039;m now off to check out Liberty. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take issue with the &#8216;inordinately boring&#8217; comment &#8212; this was an informative post Chris and I&#8217;m now off to check out Liberty. Thanks.</p>
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