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		<title>Comment on Andy Burnham - in ur internetz, classifyin ur sitez by Dan Thornton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Thornton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Add in the fact that new laws are also making it more acceptable for police to remote access computers, and I'm fairly sure I won't be voting Labour again!

We have to admit it's incredibly easy to stumble across things which may be offensive, but that's a reason to improve filters like Net Nanny and Cyber Patrol for those who want to use them, or educate more people about making sure they've got 'Safe Search' enabled on Google, or that they haven't let their PC get infected with Malware.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Add in the fact that new laws are also making it more acceptable for police to remote access computers, and I&#8217;m fairly sure I won&#8217;t be voting Labour again!</p>
<p>We have to admit it&#8217;s incredibly easy to stumble across things which may be offensive, but that&#8217;s a reason to improve filters like Net Nanny and Cyber Patrol for those who want to use them, or educate more people about making sure they&#8217;ve got &#8216;Safe Search&#8217; enabled on Google, or that they haven&#8217;t let their PC get infected with Malware.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Andy Burnham - in ur internetz, classifyin ur sitez by Dan Thornton</title>
		<link>http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/blog/2008/12/28/andy-burnham-in-ur-internetz-classifyin-ur-sitez/comment-page-1/#comment-3204</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Thornton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really nice and comprehensive post...

Interestingly, I've just been reading Thomas Friedman's The World is Flat, and had got to the chapter discussing how the 'flattening of the world' due to globalisation and communication has been used for good and bad, including for terrorism - and how a dogmatic following of certain beliefs without question is one of the main reasons for those beliefs leading to a frustration which can then lead to terrorism (paraphrasing a fair bit!)

The only regime that has a reasonable chance of making something like this work is China, and while we could probably learn a lot from their economic reform and growth, I'm not sure we should be using them as a model for internet regulation.
tbc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really nice and comprehensive post&#8230;</p>
<p>Interestingly, I&#8217;ve just been reading Thomas Friedman&#8217;s The World is Flat, and had got to the chapter discussing how the &#8216;flattening of the world&#8217; due to globalisation and communication has been used for good and bad, including for terrorism - and how a dogmatic following of certain beliefs without question is one of the main reasons for those beliefs leading to a frustration which can then lead to terrorism (paraphrasing a fair bit!)</p>
<p>The only regime that has a reasonable chance of making something like this work is China, and while we could probably learn a lot from their economic reform and growth, I&#8217;m not sure we should be using them as a model for internet regulation.<br />
tbc</p>
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		<title>Comment on 20 signs you don’t want that social media project by Welcoming Chris Applegate to the team / we are social</title>
		<link>http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/blog/2008/12/15/20-signs-you-dont-want-that-social-media-project/comment-page-2/#comment-3201</link>
		<dc:creator>Welcoming Chris Applegate to the team / we are social</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 11:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in the UK with LOL Griffin and this satirical YouTube mash-up, has dispensed well received new business advice and, with his jaunty fedora, is a well known member of London’s social media [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in the UK with LOL Griffin and this satirical YouTube mash-up, has dispensed well received new business advice and, with his jaunty fedora, is a well known member of London’s social media [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Andy Burnham - in ur internetz, classifyin ur sitez by A Digitally United Kingdom | Rock Star PR</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Digitally United Kingdom | Rock Star PR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that the internet is about education and not censorship. This was the comment that I left on Chris Applegate’s excellent post; An excellent post, and I’m struggling to add something without swerving into [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that the internet is about education and not censorship. This was the comment that I left on Chris Applegate’s excellent post; An excellent post, and I’m struggling to add something without swerving into [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Andy Burnham - in ur internetz, classifyin ur sitez by Mat Morrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mat Morrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 16:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Might take a look at Steve Bowbrick's v. sane article &lt;a href="http://bowblog.com/2009/01/02/filter-seeking-behaviour-free-speech-on-the-net-depends-on-good-filters/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Filter it or lose it: free speech on the net depends on good filters.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might take a look at Steve Bowbrick&#8217;s v. sane article <a href="http://bowblog.com/2009/01/02/filter-seeking-behaviour-free-speech-on-the-net-depends-on-good-filters/" rel="nofollow">Filter it or lose it: free speech on the net depends on good filters.</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Andy Burnham - in ur internetz, classifyin ur sitez by ^nebulon^</title>
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		<dc:creator>^nebulon^</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, if some one blows up a building what difference does it make if they communicate with their accomplices through email or pen and paper mail? 

This interview was the scariest thing I've ever read.

Might be nice if Mr Burnham had some letters waiting for him when he goes back to work.

His contact details are here

www.chronojohn.com/censorship</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, if some one blows up a building what difference does it make if they communicate with their accomplices through email or pen and paper mail? </p>
<p>This interview was the scariest thing I&#8217;ve ever read.</p>
<p>Might be nice if Mr Burnham had some letters waiting for him when he goes back to work.</p>
<p>His contact details are here</p>
<p><a href="http://www.chronojohn.com/censorship" rel="nofollow">http://www.chronojohn.com/censorship</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Andy Burnham - in ur internetz, classifyin ur sitez by Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done for highlighting something serious which could have slipped under the radar at this time of Celebrity Mr &amp; Mrs and Olympic Medal Winners' Who Wants to Be a Millionaire.

Just another example of Brown and his idiotic cronies desperately trying to appeal to the Sun/Mail reading masses they're so shit scared of.  I don't for a second believe that Andy Burnham (or Jacqui Smith, Hazel Blears, Phil Woolas - I could go on) knows - or even less, cares - what the hell he's talking about.  If only there was some way of blocking the 'content' that these tossers come out with...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done for highlighting something serious which could have slipped under the radar at this time of Celebrity Mr &amp; Mrs and Olympic Medal Winners&#8217; Who Wants to Be a Millionaire.</p>
<p>Just another example of Brown and his idiotic cronies desperately trying to appeal to the Sun/Mail reading masses they&#8217;re so shit scared of.  I don&#8217;t for a second believe that Andy Burnham (or Jacqui Smith, Hazel Blears, Phil Woolas - I could go on) knows - or even less, cares - what the hell he&#8217;s talking about.  If only there was some way of blocking the &#8216;content&#8217; that these tossers come out with&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Andy Burnham - in ur internetz, classifyin ur sitez by Terence Eden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terence Eden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DA-Notices don't work that way any more - http://www.dnotice.org.uk/
Although I'm sure there still other, more subtle, ways to control the media - look at Harry Windsor's tour of duty in Afghanistan.

See my thoughts on the matter at http://shkspr.mobi/blog/2008/12/dont-blame-andy-burnham-for-wanting-to.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DA-Notices don&#8217;t work that way any more - <a href="http://www.dnotice.org.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://www.dnotice.org.uk/</a><br />
Although I&#8217;m sure there still other, more subtle, ways to control the media - look at Harry Windsor&#8217;s tour of duty in Afghanistan.</p>
<p>See my thoughts on the matter at <a href="http://shkspr.mobi/blog/2008/12/dont-blame-andy-burnham-for-wanting-to.html" rel="nofollow">http://shkspr.mobi/blog/2008/12/dont-blame-andy-burnham-for-wanting-to.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Andy Burnham - in ur internetz, classifyin ur sitez by Colin Campbell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 02:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting that UK Labour are trying to do similar idiotic net censorship as Aussie Labor. Proven to be unworkable, but full steam ahead in evaluating implementation strategies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that UK Labour are trying to do similar idiotic net censorship as Aussie Labor. Proven to be unworkable, but full steam ahead in evaluating implementation strategies.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Andy Burnham - in ur internetz, classifyin ur sitez by Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 00:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex - wasn't theatre regularly censored &lt;a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_7638000/7638553.stm" rel="nofollow"&gt;until 1968&lt;/a&gt;? And newspaper censorship continues to this day with such things as D-notices and secret injunctions.

As for openID problems - will look into it. I haven't had any problems, but then my openID server is qwghlm.co.uk :)

&lt;b&gt;Update:&lt;/b&gt; Should be working now, sorry for the inconvenience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex - wasn&#8217;t theatre regularly censored <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_7638000/7638553.stm" rel="nofollow">until 1968</a>? And newspaper censorship continues to this day with such things as D-notices and secret injunctions.</p>
<p>As for openID problems - will look into it. I haven&#8217;t had any problems, but then my openID server is qwghlm.co.uk :)</p>
<p><b>Update:</b> Should be working now, sorry for the inconvenience.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Andy Burnham - in ur internetz, classifyin ur sitez by Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 23:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The distinction is class. Books, the theatre, newspapers: signifiers of Cultural Capital. Movies, the telly: Prolefeed, and they better stay that way. Computerthingy: THINKFAIL INVENTED AFTER 1950!!! Strange, it's made of words (good) but it's got typewriters like my secretary (bad).

(BTW: Why the fuck have I got to provide a name and e-mail when I've been authenticated by OpenID?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The distinction is class. Books, the theatre, newspapers: signifiers of Cultural Capital. Movies, the telly: Prolefeed, and they better stay that way. Computerthingy: THINKFAIL INVENTED AFTER 1950!!! Strange, it&#8217;s made of words (good) but it&#8217;s got typewriters like my secretary (bad).</p>
<p>(BTW: Why the fuck have I got to provide a name and e-mail when I&#8217;ve been authenticated by OpenID?)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Andy Burnham - in ur internetz, classifyin ur sitez by Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 17:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mat - I don't think the pen, or even the printing press, are as centralised and licensed as you make out to be - after all, anonymous &amp; pseudonymous pampleteering was rife in days gone by.

I think my worry comes when he starts saying: "There is content that should just not be available to be viewed. That is my view. Absolutely categorical." - which comes with no caveats. It is confusing the problem of discretion with respect to what children see, and what, legally, &lt;em&gt;anyone&lt;/em&gt; should be allowed to see. The former is a matter for parents - the same as whether they think their kids should stay up beyond 9pm watching TV, or playing violent video games - and is quite a wide remit. The latter is a matter of law and public policy and has a very narrow remit (what is undesirable is not necessarily illegal, nor should it be). Hence my worry about a slippery slope. 

Your point on video is a good one, and highlights how video particularly is incredibly hard to enforce - text filters alone are useless. Even YouTube's filtering software (which fingerprints videos &amp; matches against a database) can't catch risque content posted there, let alone illegal. YouTube crowdsources its ratings - ordinary users can flag a video as being unsuitable for minors, or undesirable which is a clever (if possibly gameable) way of doing such things. I bet an ISP-enforced ratings system will be far cruder and just mark anything with a youtube.com URL as possibly unsuitable, rather than on a per-video basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mat - I don&#8217;t think the pen, or even the printing press, are as centralised and licensed as you make out to be - after all, anonymous &#038; pseudonymous pampleteering was rife in days gone by.</p>
<p>I think my worry comes when he starts saying: &#8220;There is content that should just not be available to be viewed. That is my view. Absolutely categorical.&#8221; - which comes with no caveats. It is confusing the problem of discretion with respect to what children see, and what, legally, <em>anyone</em> should be allowed to see. The former is a matter for parents - the same as whether they think their kids should stay up beyond 9pm watching TV, or playing violent video games - and is quite a wide remit. The latter is a matter of law and public policy and has a very narrow remit (what is undesirable is not necessarily illegal, nor should it be). Hence my worry about a slippery slope. </p>
<p>Your point on video is a good one, and highlights how video particularly is incredibly hard to enforce - text filters alone are useless. Even YouTube&#8217;s filtering software (which fingerprints videos &#038; matches against a database) can&#8217;t catch risque content posted there, let alone illegal. YouTube crowdsources its ratings - ordinary users can flag a video as being unsuitable for minors, or undesirable which is a clever (if possibly gameable) way of doing such things. I bet an ISP-enforced ratings system will be far cruder and just mark anything with a youtube.com URL as possibly unsuitable, rather than on a per-video basis.</p>
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